Music, Business and Peace


(Kathleen Higgins) #163

That makes me think of the rage of possibilities beyond movement manipulation that could be tapped into when businesses determine the sound environments of their establishments.


(Constance Glen) #164

Perhaps this is also one of the challenges.


(Constance Glen) #165

Sure, but I think it is a more multi-faceted idea here. Different audiences/different approaches.


(Timothy L. Fort) #166

Agreed. Just needing to find a time and place here as well


(Alain Barker) #167

Getting back to the obstacles and challenges - huge generalization ahead, but I’ll put it out there anyway: we tend to live in cultural bubbles, with the business world thinking in one way and the art world thinking in another. Perhaps that’s one of our greatest obstacles to a more impactful set of actions by all?


(Constance Glen) #168

Yes – I think so – this is powerful – and could be positive.
“that could be tapped into when businesses determine the sound environments of their establishments.”


(Olivier Urbain) #169

Agreed with Tim, “peace” can have liberal connotations that would turn some people off. I want to ask, very simply, does “peacebuilding” have the same connotations? It seems to me to be more practical, hands-on, in a way, more realistic and grounded in daily life. Less of a turn off for conservatives?


(Kathleen Higgins) #170

That really stood out to me, too. The ideal would be music that somehow offers something for everyone – what the Europeans find in their unofficial anthem, Beethoven’s setting of Schiller’s “Ode to Joy.” But music that has this effect is challenging to find. Maybe the fact that Schiller is appealing to a basic human emotion is telling in this instance.


(Olivier Urbain) #171

Did we get to the third question? I must have missed it!


(Constance Glen) #172

• What obstacles, or challenges, prevent the field from being as effective as it could be?


(Olivier Urbain) #173
  1. What obstacles, or challenges, prevent the field from being as effective as it could be?

Old habits die hard. We have been trained, and have seen, that the mainstream ways to solve conflicts and disagreements are through

  • violence, the strongest wins.
  • win/lose strategies
  • with verbal arguments and agreements.

With music, when you organize a collective activity, there is no win or lose, and there is no verbal agruments. It is easier to find common ground,
based on a common beat, then with verbal arguments. People who disagree on issues can joyfully and harmoniously feel a sense of commonality while they participate in musical activities together, at least for a while.

For the old habits to give space to new habits, we need to prove and show that musicking, when created and added strategically, can enhance the effectiveness of conflict transformation. We need to educate ourselves, our leaders, decision-makers, educators, to acquire new habits based on the effectiveness of musicking in peacebuilding.


(Timothy L. Fort) #174

not sure if we are on third question or not, but it’s awfully fun


(Constance Glen) #175

The “settler colonialism” also showcases difference in musical approach – pretty important.


(Alain Barker) #176

BFP_Team:
What obstacles, or challenges, prevent the field from being as effective as it could be?


(Kathleen Higgins) #177

I think Olivier’s idea of using “peacebuilding” is very promising as a way of making this agenda appeal to conservatives as well as liberals.


(Olivier Urbain) #178
  1. Oops, copying my reply again to the third question, in case it was buried…

Old habits die hard. We have been trained, and have seen, that the mainstream ways to solve conflicts and disagreements are through

  • violence, the strongest wins.
  • win/lose strategies
  • with verbal arguments and agreements.

With music, when you organize a collective activity, there is no win or lose, and there is no verbal agruments. It is easier to find common ground,
based on a common beat, then with verbal arguments. People who disagree on issues can joyfully and harmoniously feel a sense of commonality while they participate in musical activities together, at least for a while.

For the old habits to give space to new habits, we need to prove and show that musicking, when created and added strategically, can enhance the effectiveness of conflict transformation. We need to educate ourselves, our leaders, decision-makers, educators, to acquire new habits based on the effectiveness of musicking in peacebuilding.


(Constance Glen) #179

"For the old habits to give space to new habits, we need to prove and show that musicking, when created and added strategically, can enhance the effectiveness of conflict transformation. We need to educate ourselves, our leaders, decision-makers, educators, to acquire new habits based on the effectiveness of musicking in peacebuilding. – "

Certainly a positive idea – I think I’m still interested in a more multi-faceted concept. Musicking is one very important part but it excludes some ways that humans experience music –


(Alain Barker) #180

Yes, I like the idea of peacebuilding. Intentionality is a good thing.


(John Paul Kanwit) #181

I keep thinking about how we might use these concepts to provide a better solution to the National Anthem controversy at NFL games.


(Kathleen Higgins) #182

I think the term “musicking” encompasses all the ways people experience music. “Just listening” is musicking. The term draws attention to the active character of any experience of music.